I’ve started appearing on some podcasts. If you’d like to interview me, hit me up on twitter (preferred) or via email (address here).

Feb 18, 2021 — 11 Malcolm Ocean & The Non-Naive Trust Dance

The Lightfoot Podcast with Joe Lightfoot

Today I spoke (and sang) with the marvellous Malcolm Ocean, we delved deeply into his emerging notion of the Non Naive Trust Dance and explored how breaking the taboo of speaking about the loss of trust can be a key component in community cultivation.

Sep 11, 2021 — Recording Conversations and the Non-Naive Trust Dance (video)

Reach Truth Podcast with Tasshin Fogleman

Tasshin speaks with Malcolm Ocean (@Malcolm_Ocean) about recording conversations, his friendship with Eric Chisholm, and the Non-Naive Trust Dance.

Nov 5, 2021 — The Art of Asking Questions, Incentivising Negative Effort & Deconstructing Human Perception

Curious Humans with Jonny Miller

In which my Twitter friend Malcolm and I nerd out on esoteric topics ranging from the art of asking questions to the barely known ideas contained in ‘Perceptual Control Theory’ have shifted his outlook on life and how it relates to his idea of ‘dream mashups’.

Nov 26, 2021 — On Designing Metaphors, Finding “Your Thing,” and Hosting Barn-Raising Parties

Drinking with Visionaries with Trace Brady

Life is too short to live on someone else’s terms, but before we can live on our own terms, we have to create, define, and communicate those terms.

Nov 30, 2021 — Becoming a Super Organism w/ Malcolm Ocean

Ari in the Air with Ari Delashmutt

Malcolm Ocean is a fellow Game B thinker – a title that we address right off the bat in this episode. We get into some really nice things – how much energy is in the differences in our perspectives, how that energy, if left unorganized can destroy shit, how our differences in perspectives can and do give us another dimension of depth in our relationships and how this is what it is to become a superorganism.

Malcolm is a really great conversation partner and we uncovered beautiful things in this talk.